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- Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:08 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Isothermal Heat Transfer
- Replies: 49
- Views: 424
Re: Isothermal Heat Transfer
But maybe gas can "stretch" like a rubber band. IDK. But I can see that the piston in a Stirling engine does infact return. Without a flywheel. Without a displacer. With no apparent "sink" or viable heat outlet. I've done the experiments myself, so I can't really just dismiss wh...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:14 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
- Replies: 357
- Views: 12180
Re: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
Begining of derivation: Taking the above 'noted' equation "Qhz = Qcz + DQh" and subtracting Qcz from both The term 'n' applies to the engine regardless of 'Qcz' base heat amount or reference point. It will have the same efficiency burning the same energy at the same temperatures but with ...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:49 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
- Replies: 357
- Views: 12180
Re: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
a2+b2=C2 would be pretty useless if it only worked for equilateral triangles. Pythagoras is spinning in his grave. :laugh: There is of course, no such thing as an equilateral right triangle. Which is the point. There is no such thing as a "perfect" Carnot engine either An algebraic formul...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:18 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
- Replies: 357
- Views: 12180
Re: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
Thot = 600 Tcold = 300 Qhot = 150 joules You forgot the units, 'Kelvin', for the temperatures. You put temperatures into an energy equation, and mixed them with heat. The reason it worked in the previous example is that DQh and DT were both 100. It had a one to one relationship between energy and t...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:53 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
- Replies: 357
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Re: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
Thot = 600 Tcold = 300 Qhot = 150 joules You forgot the units, 'Kelvin', for the temperatures. You put temperatures into an energy equation, and mixed them with heat. The reason it worked in the previous example is that DQh and DT were both 100. It had a one to one relationship between energy and t...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:17 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
- Replies: 357
- Views: 12180
Re: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
Suppose we use my original values ? Thot = Qhz = 600 (but also 450 ?) Tcold = 300 = Qcz Qhot = 150 joules = DQh DQh = Qhz - Qhz(1-n) 150 = 600 - 600(1 - .25) 150 = 600 - 600(0.75) 150 = 600 - 450 150 = 150 Hey, worked out! But elsewhere Qcz + DQh = Qhz Qcz + DQh = Qhz 300 + 600 = 900 So Qhz can equa...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:48 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
- Replies: 357
- Views: 12180
Re: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
Can we try some other more "realistic" (in your opinion) values? How about Thot = 600 Tcold = 300 Qhot = 150 joules Anything wrong with those numbers? Equations are supposed to balance right? Isn't that what the equal sign is for? Isn't that what mathematical precision is all about? We ass...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:45 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
- Replies: 357
- Views: 12180
Re: The TRUTH? η = 1 – (Qc / Qh) = 1 – (Tc / Th)
2+x=4 What does x equal? X=5 2+5=4 7=4 The equation must be wrong. Give me a break. An equation isn't valid for any numbers you want to put in. An equation is only valid if use properly. It should at least be valid for the potential range of application, don't you think? Or are you presupposing ONL...
- Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:38 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Isothermal Heat Transfer
- Replies: 49
- Views: 424
Re: Isothermal Heat Transfer
But by doing work and loosing energy and getting cold, the gas contracts. By contracting, this allows outside atmospheric pressure to do the work of returning the piston to TDC. The gas by pushing to expand, by pushing, the volume increases, because it was heated to a higher temperature, using that...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:54 pm
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Isothermal Heat Transfer
- Replies: 49
- Views: 424
Re: Isothermal Heat Transfer
From that article I thought this was interesting. Something I haven't seen before: So for 𝑇 > 𝑇inv, an expansion at constant enthalpy increases temperature as the work done by the repulsive interactions of the gas is dominant, and so the change in kinetic energy is positive. But for 𝑇 < 𝑇inv, expans...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:07 pm
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Isothermal Heat Transfer
- Replies: 49
- Views: 424
Re: Isothermal Heat Transfer
..., I would imagine the biggest reduction in temperature would be from expanding gas into a vacuum where the gas is able to use all it's kinetic energy to expand unrestricted. Actually it's just the opposite. When expanding into a vacuum the gas has nothing to do work against so doesn't loose ener...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:06 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Isothermal Heat Transfer
- Replies: 49
- Views: 424
Re: Isothermal Heat Transfer
the internal gas pressure is still contributing, still doing work and still actually losing internal energy so still dropping in pressure and temperature due to work output. This is the part I'm having trouble with. The working fluid can only still be doing work while it's above ambient pressure, b...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:49 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Ringbom-Rice conversion?
- Replies: 23
- Views: 437
Re: Ringbom-Rice conversion?
Some late night experimenting, but no great results so far. https://youtu.be/AaEfauPTqYo?si=0oBcnqy-1X2BbVqA If the flywheel assembly is removed, which can be accomplished rather quickly by just loosening the big hose clamp, the engine will run, apparently quite strongly. Put the flywheel back on an...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:34 am
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Isothermal Heat Transfer
- Replies: 49
- Views: 424
Re: Isothermal Heat Transfer
Only if some working fluid has been bled from the engine at working temperature near TDC. Otherwise, you're not going to get the partial vacuum at BDC needed for the ambient atmosphere to do any pushing on the return stroke. Negative. We are seeing a strong return stoke with these engines while hav...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:14 pm
- Forum: Stirling and "Hot Air" Engine Forum
- Topic: Isothermal Heat Transfer
- Replies: 49
- Views: 424
Re: Isothermal Heat Transfer
I've been avoiding the rock analogy. But to me rolling the same rock up and down a hill seems pointless. How about we ask, if the expansion stroke rolls a rock uphill, can the return stroke roll another rock up the same hill, thus performing more useful work? Not exactly. The point is, in doing wor...