More volume on the hot side?

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AnonAustria
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More volume on the hot side?

Post by AnonAustria » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:02 pm

Hi,
I am drawing some plans for an alpha-type stirling engine I want to machine. In the process I noticed that many designs have some 'unused volume' on the hot side (usually in form of a glass piece that sticks out). Is this necessary/which function does it serve?

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Re: More volume on the hot side?

Post by Ian S C » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:22 am

The hot side has the bit that "sticks out" so it can be heated, the hot piston has an extension on it similar to a displacer in other motors, this is called a Heylandt Crown, this fits in the hot cap with a gap same as a displacer, it does keep the direct heat off the top of the piston. Here's a photo of my Ross Yoke ALPHA motor.
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Re: More volume on the hot side?

Post by AnonAustria » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:35 am

Thank you for the answer. I have one more question: will the engine also run without the extension? I am limited in the time I can take to machine the thing, so I am trying to make it as simple as possible.

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Re: More volume on the hot side?

Post by Ian S C » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:34 am

Not really, you have to have some thing to heat, and having a short hot end would get the heated area too close to the cold side, you just need a hot cap similar to a GAMMA, or BETA motor. I'm no sure if there is an ideal length for the Heylandt Crown, but some where about 1 to 1.5 times the diameter will work, I think I used 1.5 with a gap of 1.5 mm, about 1/16". I think the part on that motor that took the longest was the crankcase, I welded it up from scrap steel that I had to machine all over to get rid of the rust pits, and to get it a bit thinner. Here it is with it's little power hacksaw, it does work, takes about 1/2 hr to cut a bit of 10 mm rebar(steel reinforcing rod)
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Re: More volume on the hot side?

Post by AnonAustria » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:28 pm

The hot side on my design is quite far away from the hot side, so heat creep shouldn't really be a problem. So if heat really is the only reason, my question is answered.

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Re: More volume on the hot side?

Post by cbstirling2 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:26 pm

AnonAustria wrote:The hot side on my design is quite far away from the hot side, so heat creep shouldn't really be a problem. So if heat really is the only reason, my question is answered.
The crown increases the surface area to conduct heat.
In my opinion, it's a good idea to have a crown on both pistons. I'd made both hot and cold identical since both jobs is to conduct heat. (Either to or fro...) This way you get efficiency on cylinder construction.

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Re: More volume on the hot side?

Post by Ian S C » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:21 am

The cold piston should have as little bulk as possible to enhance the rate of cooling, the crown is only effective on the hot cylinder.
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Re: More volume on the hot side?

Post by cbstirling2 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:26 pm

Ian S C wrote:The cold piston should have as little bulk as possible to enhance the rate of cooling, the crown is only effective on the hot cylinder.
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Oh I see, the additional thermo mass outweighs the conduction from surface area?

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